tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518795276029646606.post2390069878224029411..comments2023-04-26T13:44:47.284+00:00Comments on Around Britain Without A Plane: Margate gets its mojo backaround Britain no planehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07832626578044856859noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518795276029646606.post-15714852198855964472012-04-09T16:33:22.520+00:002012-04-09T16:33:22.520+00:00From Facebook - this post inspired heated debate a...From Facebook - this post inspired heated debate about carbon travel...<br />Howard: Easter here in Norfolk has been a load of fun without the hydrocarbon penalty! Who wants to live in london? It's a city and as such has a massive per capita carbon footprint (once support services are taken into account) compared to a rural existence... Just saying...<br /><br />Nicola Baird My experience of Norfolk is villages without shops, train stations without connecting buses, dire health services, obsessions with supermarkets, blatant racism towards east europeans, few organic farming attempts, massive private estates and a super-dependence on cars (which drive far too fast on narrow roads). Of course I've only ever visited rather than lived there - but I suspect it's the way one lives, not where one lives that equates to a low carbon footprint or not.<br /><br /><br />Howard "I am surprised at this, as rather than being a rational deconstruction of the carbon issues involved, it is rather more of a series of unsubstantiated prejudices against rural life! Having spent some time studying the energy inputs per capita required to sustain individuals in cities and in rural areas, it is evident that much higher inputs are required to sustain a population living at the kind of density one finds in a city. hence my point.<br /><br />Nicola Baird "But Howard, there are such interesting things going on with urban growing, pooling resources etc - plus work within walking/cycling distance in cities worldover. I think you were right, but as the world is now city-centric (whether you like it or not) the answers have to be finding more ways to make cities more sustainable. Which study do you recommend I look at? BTW I grew up in the countryside and now keep hens in the city - I like both places, but have consistently found cities more liveable.<br /><br /><br />Annie "As a person who has spent most of her life in cities and now lives in the country... it's really hard for me to imagine how life in cities is not more efficient per capita than the way people in wealthy countries live in rural areas. Surely there are economies of scale in every sector, lower housing footprints, lower daily travel, etc. I don't want to be stuck in an unsubstantiated opinion but you would have a lot of proving to do to me.<br /><br /><br />Howard " I did analysis of the inputs some years ago as part of a uni research project I was assisting - I havent got the figures to hand as I have been to sleep a few times since (!) but the sheer energy requirements of the infrastructure required to allow humans to be packed so artificially densely was the prime issue. You and Nicola are both right - it IS possible to squander huge amounts of energy living like a city dweller in the country in a wealthy area, but that is increasingly not the case. There is more flexibility in the country to respond to changing energy costs, for example by reducing travel, reducing heating, growing more food and using more local produce, composting and recycling waste on the property. The big issue is there is not space for everyone to live like that - which begs the question as to how we should view the impending crisis - sheerly in terms of energy, or as one of population as well? It's a very unfashionable view nowadays, but nonetheless valid.<br /><br />Nicola Baird "All the things you mention Howard can be done in towns quite easily (esp if you add in roof, window box growing etc). I found this diagram from Growing Communities which source super local (ie, if you get veg from it none is air-freighted, some only 5 mins cycle from my house). Diagram tries to establish how much food can be grown locally. http://www.growingcommunities.org/start-ups/what-is-gc/manifesto-feeding-cities/explore-food-zones/around Britain no planehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07832626578044856859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518795276029646606.post-83829073878525482442012-04-09T15:31:24.273+00:002012-04-09T15:31:24.273+00:00Gotta get us there!!!!
Awaiting your travel guide,...Gotta get us there!!!!<br />Awaiting your travel guide, Nicola!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com